Musical culture is dead.

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Some people with somewhere said that there are two types of joy:

  • The immediate joy you get from an experience
  • The delayed joy that comes in hindsight of what, at the time, may have seemed miserable.

Consider going on a hike and the weather turns bad. You slip in the mud, hurt your butt and mess up all your clothes, drop your phone in there too, possibly breaking it. You continue and get blocked by a torrent of a mudslide blocking your path meaning you have to find an alternative route, get lost, and end up getting back to your hotel tired, weak, starving.

Months later though, boy what a great story! The moment you landed on your butt - your expression was priceless! And to be fair, the views in the rain amongst the clouds was something you will remember for a lifetime.

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This is the second type of joy, an investment in joy.

The same, I think, can be said for culture. You can appreciate culture in the moment: classic movies, various parades and celebrations, Christmas day.

But there are other elements of culture that were probably fairly awful or of little impact at the time which we now can be brought to tears in awe at their mere existence: Cathedrals and architecture that were under construction for centuries, Canals whose purpose was to haul massive amounts of coal through the water, pulled by horses on the sidelines, 18th century novels whose now very famous author may have died in obscurity.

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Either way, these cultural elements need to be cherished and protected in every country. We can progress and adapt around them no problem. London is a fantastic example of a city who can expand and progress into the future (for better or worse) while maintaining vast swathes of its history.

One only needs to walk for 5 minutes before you find some monument that has been around anywhere between two hundred and a thousand years. Just sitting there in public between glass skyscrapers.

The Post-Genre World

Every decade for a long time now has been clearly defined by a musical style that was 'in' at the time. Lining up with this were fashion trends, both of which seem to align perhaps deliberately.

Grunge, Swing, Rock n' Roll, Bebop. They all had an assigned period in history. This was made easy because all the powers that be - radio, print media, TV, the whole hog - easily coordinated with major record labels, distributing and creating the preferred narratives.

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Nowadays, this has been completely overwhelmed by the invent of streaming platforms and more illicit access via things like torrents and P2P file sharing (Kazaa, Napster).

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This destroyed the mass media's ability to control a narrative as they had done since time immemorial, and now there is just a cacophony of, well, everything.

This sounds great! Everybody gets to listen to exactly what they want. At the time, you would have been subject to the dominant forces, like it or not.

But in hindsight, to me it's clear this is a big cultural problem.

The 2000's had a vague, hard-to-define association with a style, maybe, but the concept rapidly became extinct. Now, the idea is long gone.

Hell, even the idea of 'genre' in its entirety is becoming a thing of the past. Modern musicians take influence from all over. You'll find insufferable mainstream musicians like Katy Perry or Billie Eilish or whatever taking influence from all sorts of places; Classical, Bossa Nova, Rock, it no longer matters.

And now, well, look around you.

Where are the Emos? The Goths? The Hipsters? You might find one or two in the wilderness scattered randomly in the cities, if you're lucky. But that's it.

Everybody dresses the same, everybody, on average, has the exact same perspectives and outlooks - made binary by politics of course. The cultural impact of those past decades were huge and we reap the benefits to this day. And yet we are no longer leaving anything for our own future generations to define our time other than war and outrage.

Somebody in the year 2000 will dress almost identical to people now, quarter of a century later. It's boring. Depressing. Repetitive. And so is the music.

Look at rap music. It was a truly defining error in the early 2000's with legendary artists like Eminem, Dre, Snoop, Xzibit, Nate Dogg, D12.

Since then, rap has kind of gone downhill, a bit underground, and stagnated significantly. Rappers almost universally rap in mono-rhythmic triplets and emotionless vocal mumbles or tacky, overpowering autotune. All have identical personalities and demeanours and mostly just dress up like they're collectively going to flash mob a luxury brand store. I know 'culture' and 'art' is technically subjective but come on. We have to draw a line somewhere between 'art' and 'pissing about'

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We know the musical culture is dead because whenever big events happen, or something needs to grab attention, we by and large hear music from previous generations rather than current music. A pop song by a current pop musician is almost indistinguishable from one 20 years ago. Often, it's the same musicians still lingering on as long as they can because name recognition is now more powerful than the art itself.

Music has become 100% commercial.

People have said musicians 'sell out' and such for forever, but I think it's reached its maximum at this point. Music has stopped being edgy or risque. It has stopped attempting to break any new ground. It is a savvy business decision and little else.

In big business, they use research and algorithms to decide what grabs the most attention through clever psychology and marketing. This means, like literal commercial music, the mainstream sound is inoffensive, aimless, and just like everything that came before it that demonstrably worked.

Even the offensive stuff like, say, WAP, was still in essence 'inoffensive'. At every level it was just another shitty RnB song or whatever. Just with a bit of a cringey lyrical base. This is the last ditch effort from media trying to grab attention - shock value. Also demonstrated perfectly in Ye's latest 'Heil Hitler'. A catchy song, no doubt. But outside of the HH concept, the music and lyrics themselves are... meh.

In small independent artists, they are victim of the same shit. They see the writing on the wall and they recognise that they will never get listens if they don't precisely follow the expected narrative and algorithm. They do this with trial and error. They start out as budding musicians with a new awesome idea. But after a year of crafting their works, they get about 4 views.

So they study. They realise they have to combine their music with things like TikTok. Well that means two main things:

  • They have to abide by the policy guidelines
  • They have to make music that will grab attention and say everything it needs to say within about 5-10 seconds

So they redesign their entire brand to fit. They might get 100 views and some negative feedback which they take on board and re-brand once more until they inevitably become one with the rest. Inoffensive, commercially acceptable, predictable.

Then, of course, the groundwork is laid perfectly for AI to slip in and effortlessly take over because there is no expectation of a new Queen or David Bowie to come out. Everybody has just accepted that music will forever be the same basic groove, covering the same basic paltry topics in the same triplet rhythm or that insufferable Spanish drum groove (Buhm - TAbuhm - TA. You know the one).

Even those insisting on sticking to an old genre like heavy metal have softened their perspective to incorporate more pop and tik tok-friendly aesthetics.

100 years from now, history will be defined by this black hole of a generation, the moment where musical culture died, around the 2000's. People will look back in envy at the 60's, the 80's. People will know the names of these musicians far more than anybody coming out from the 2010's.

I mean, seriously, who is there? Justin Bieber? Come on, his music is written by 15-man writing teams like the rest of them. Why do you need 15 writers for a Bieber song? Of course, to meticulously craft every syllable to maximize attention according to the algorithm.

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We can liken this to Youtube content creators to. Previously it was a free-for-all of brilliant and unique individuals. Some terrible and controversial, some genuinely talented beyond anything we could imagine.

Now, top creators have entire teams working on the thumbnail of the video, marking and correcting every pixel, studying the effects of one facial expression compared to another with eyebrows 4 pixels higher. You have them researching colour combinations that grab attention, from a hot red-yellow combo text to the calming trust of blues and greens - and the effect they have according to what percentage of screen space they use up.

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Smaller users, again, are no different. I've noticed plenty of times a video's thumbnail change because they learn that one did not grab attention, so they have to review it and make it more click-baity before it's too late and their video vanishes into obscurity.

We're all just playing the game, being puppeted around by higher powers, and there's nothing we can do about it.

Musical culture is dead.



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A sincere and thought-provoking post, and well-written, thank you!

The post-genre world

My deep interest in musical culture began in the mid-1990s when I was a teenager and ended in the mid-2000s. This happened partly because I got older and music stopped being a key identifier to me, but also because the era of collecting tapes and CDs came to an end — I started listening to everything online. So, I have this feeling that the best time for music ended sometime in the beginning of 2000s. Or maybe "my time in music" is simply in the past. I don't know... @qwerrie what do you think?

The problem of censorship in culture through the algorithms of YouTube and TikTok is real — everything that passes through them is a kind of socially sterile. (Could the rise in societal toxicity be a response to this censorship — a kind of compensation/sublimation?) And this creates a breeding ground for something alternative — existing somewhere in reality or the dark web. Whether this potential will be realized is another question. We’ll see.

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I don't think it's compensation so much as lack of exposure making people kind of pathetic. Sheltering everybody from every tiny dangerous word and concept means that any accidental exposure or leakage into public is perceived as horrendously evil and malicious.

the era of collecting tapes and CDs

I've been telling myself since I was a kid that I someday want to buy all the physical copies of everything I've 'stolen' through digital downloads over the years. Books included. I want a house full of my influences and to know I've paid my dues. It would also be an awesome looking house full of such things.

Still waiting on that day...

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someday want to buy all the physical copies of everything I've 'stolen' through digital downloads over the years.

haha. sounds funny. I am more than sure you will change your mind while growing up. 🙃

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I went through a stage of buying something after I'd robbed it as I could pop to town, buy the whole album, have a coffee and get the bus home faster than it took to download back in the day!

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Haha true. Sometimes I'd have to wait months for somebody to p2p share it again. Only to find it's some virus-riddled, crappy live recording of half a song. Frustrating times but fun XD

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I'm thinking about what? The author of the post is not quite correct, making categorical statements. But he gives us good observations. Yes, music has become commercial - like all art. (But, of course - not 100%, that would be absurd).

The statement about "control" of the defining musical style of the decade by radio stations and labels - from which we have freed ourselves with the advent of the torrent era - in my opinion is incorrect, since it schematizes and simplifies the situation too much. Real life is, of course, much simpler. But the fact took place - in the 2000s, the entire back catalog burst out at once, instead of consuming and "assimilating" current / relevant / popular musical genres. People really started listening to "everything at once", all the music created over the last 50 years, so to speak - and the inevitable consequence was the hybridization of genres, the crossing of everything with everything, the leveling and leveling of genres - we came to the point that the latest album of such different groups as the Rolling Stones, Depeche Mode and Duran Duran - will sound suspiciously the same. Nonsense, but this is exactly the time we live in.

Do I think that today's music is uninteresting? Yes. I do not reflect on "why", I just look exclusively to the past.


Думаю о чем? автор поста не совсем корректен, делая категоричные утверждения. Но делится с нами хорошими наблюдениями. Да, музыка стала коммерческой - как и все искусство ХХ века. (Но, разумеется - не на 100%, это было бы абсурдно).

Заявление про "контролирование" определяющего музыкального стиля декады, радиостанциями и лейблами - от которого мы освободились с наступлением эпохи торрентов - на мой взгляд некорректно так как слишком схематизирует и упрощает ситуацию. Реальная жизнь устроена конечно намного проще. Но факт имел место - в 2000-е наружу вырвался одномоментно весь бэк-каталог, вместо потребления и "усваивания" текущих / актуальных / популярных музыкальных жанров. Люди действительно стали слушать "сразу всё", всю музыку созданную за условно говоря последние 50 лет - и неизбежным последствием стала гибридизация жанров, скрещивание всего со всем, выравнивание и нивелирование жанров - мы пришли к тому, что последняя пластинка таких разных групп как Rolling Stones, Depeche Mode и Duran Duran - будет звучать подозрительно одинаково. Нонсенс, но именно в таком времени мы и живем.

Думаю ли я что сегодняшняя музыка неинтересна? да. Я не рефлектирую "почему", просто смотрю исключительно в прошлое.

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I disagree with categorical statements, but overall the post has many fresh interesting thoughts that are suitable for consideration.

Music has become 100% commercial

<- same as art, long time ago.

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What a well-written post and very astute observations.

I completely agree that the age of decade-defining genres are over. I think it ended in around 2005 after bands like the Arctic Monkeys and Kaiser Chiefs, and even then, there was no specific fashion, art or culture that surrounded them as there had been in the 90s and most definitely the 80s and before. The intrinsic bonds have definitely been broken.

Cause? Perhaps around that time, streaming and downloads started to become the norm, and as x-rain mentions below, the physical music collecting gene had been wiped out. This time also coincides with the rise of the TV 'talent' shows that created a throwaway musical culture where instant success followed by instant obscurity became the norm. Going back to those old links to culture, fashion and art, how many people fashion trends did Hear'Say initiate?

For the elderly like myself, it appears the only musical genre left is bland. I can't remember the last time I heard a new song that made me want to hit 'repeat' but I'm not sure I can blame anyone for this except for younger consumers. If they didn't listen to it or pay for it, it wouldn't exist, but they will continue to do so because the music of the age is linked to lifestyle, and that's all that anyone seems to want to follow these days. Perhaps it's lifestyles that's the Rock'n'Roll of the age!

Thanks for the best post I've read here for quite a while and best wishes to you and your loved ones.

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There's is definitely eye opening music of incredible talent all over the place, every day. I think the numbers are: More music is published every single day than in an entire year of the 1980's.

The problem is we don't hear it, they get 'hundreds' of background listens. They don't define or even influence the culture at all. Just a fog in the background. So like you, most people never hear the stuff that really calls to them even though in principle they should because it's easier than ever to search for what you want.

One current musician I massively respect is Jacob Collier. He seems to have broken down the concept of genre, but made a voice for himself by being a harmonically genius musician. Over the years he's refined it to be easier on the ears than the cacophony that he used to make and become surprisingly mainstream (he performs live with and writes music for Coldplay, writes movies with Hans Zimmer, performs with Herbie Hancock, collaborates with Steve Vai - all from vastly different musical worlds). It's truly impressive the wholesome, relationships-based career he's built.

Highly recommend a listen to this!

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Thank you, I know this guy, He is very original in his performances, and his audience participations are legendary. He is most definitely of a new generation but in certain respects, it's sad that he has to be so multi-faceted to appeal to as big an audience as possible. We live in an attention culture.

I guess it doesn't help being here in Thailand so my listening habits have changed as I search out 'unknowns' on YouTube where I do find some incredible musicians (it's where I discovered Jacob Collier), not necessarily writing new material but playing classics. That's not so bad as I simply love to watch talented people play where the subject becomes secondary to the musicianship on show.

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it's sad that he has to be so multi-faceted to appeal to as big an audience as possible.

Exactly, yes. Not many can pull it off, and in most cases it's just not worth the life investment. But, happy you know the guy! I'd recommend Snarky Puppy next probably, in the same kind of circles.

Latching onto old classics is again sad but still great to hear. Even my students here in China, teenagers, are listening to the music of the 90's over modern stuff. Radiohead, Nirvana, etc.

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