Fighting against AI Music

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As I touched on in my last post, I've been working on an album as an outlet for my increasing feelings of nostalgia lately.

I'm famous among people such as myself for never really committing to a large musical project outside of mandatory assignments back in Uni and obviously any work I was given for commercials or short films.

But outside of those, I really only ever made music up to the point where I 'got the point', didn't feel like I could learn or get anything else from it, and just stored it away to rot for literal decades. I have a Box.com account still to this day storing random, often brilliant ideas, most of which never to be finished into their potential true form.

I think one part of the problem was always that my music never really followed established rules, so naturally I just had no idea what I was meant to do next. It always felt like uncharted waters.

For all I know, this album will be the same thing. I could very well just get the jist, stop feeling nostalgic, lose direction, and move on to growing plants in my apartment or something.

That being said, I've never taken it this far before and I've even started to explore this tab in my DAW (Digital Audio Workstation - the software one uses to produce music) for the mastering part of the musical journey. A page I've had available to me for years and never spent more than 3 seconds there.

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5 tracks, practically ready for release. Pretty cool.

The songs

Well, as you can see, the 5 tracks amount to about 12 minutes. In a concept album kind of way, they tell a kind of story together. Or, perhaps, they paint a picture. Or both. There are many of my influences written into each track (Daft Punk, Jonsi, Linkin Park, English/Irish Folk music, old movie soundtracks and such).

The general theme is of nostalgia but also the destruction of what we used to be, in place of more 'convenience' in the form of sterile, soulless electronics.

The fight against AI

One side-concept of this album is a fight against AI. I started off with the intention to just rapidly whip out an album of Lofi or vaporwave just to get good at the techniques. But when looking for inspiration on youtube I noticed the results now are almost entirely AI slop. And when I say slop I mean perfect renditions of vaporwave and its variations.

The difference is, any given channel is churning out 6 hours of material per video, per day. Every day.

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It's super depressing and just completely cheapens the whole vibe of the nostalgia hit I used to get with this music.

So one thing I decided to focus on my music here is ways that it can still be approachable and easy listening, while also having some deliberate elements that an AI would likely never do. Thinks like unusual structure, odd instrumental combinations or unexpected harmonies/chord progressions.

Nothing too egregious or in your face, but enough to be a bit different from the six-hour-per-day-per-channel junk that's now completely dominating the industry. Ironically it means I have to actually listen to these channels a bit to identify what not to do lol.

Urgh.

Oh well. To be honest, if you're a musician so easily replicated then you deserve everything coming to you. The struggle to be different should be a part of the creative journey, not just copy-pasting everything that came before you.



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Ai music is crazy, I dabbled with it as well to see what it can create and what it can't create. Often, the results just seemed to be something completely different from what I had imagined in my brain, which is exactly the reason why I will never give up on writing music.

The reason why I love to write music is that, just like when painting or drawing, writing or doodling, you don't have to follow any rules. Why would you? I had a funny discussion with one of my classmates, what feels like years ago, and she told me, "No, you can't mix classic music with electronic trap".....WHY NOT LOL? When I sit down for a couple of hours to just vibe and write, I don't care about no rules *(do I want to get better? Yes, but in the moment of writing it is my space and then later on in the mastering process or whatever, sure we could argue that rules are important) If there is one thing that I have learned though it is to sit down finish a track and release it. It's not going to be perfect, but at least it will be alive and won't rot on the hard drive.

In conclusion :D, AI music will get better and better, but it will never be what I write 😍...unless some maniac trains it on my music..........damn, I would actually be pissed

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I never teach rules as rules in my classes. I pose them as tools in your toolbelt which you can use when it suits you. The more tools you collect, well, the more options you got.

Ask questions like 'why did classical period musicians stick to these specific rules?, why did later classical musicians ignore those rules?' The history of music is just a long chain of one period disagreeing with and going against the rules of the era before them. So yeah, rules are tools, but do whatever sounds good to you =D

Some of students have created music of a style I think is probably entirely new in all of history lol, it's surprisingly not that hard if you are allowed to fly.

AI music is trapped within the confines of what is already known. It can't fly!

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I 100% agree with you! AI in music, movies and such areas does more bad than good. And not even artists are protected very good agains it.. it can be used in such bad ways..

Thank you for the hard work agains it :)!

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I'm hopeful that AI will genuinely kill off all the mundane 'safe' music being produced like a sweatshop factory these days and make room for the ones who actually want to make something new and fresh. People will never hear it until the boring stuff fades into AI obscurity

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I seem to suffer from some of the same issues you describe. To me, it feels like I enjoy the idea-generation and the putting down of the general strokes part (let's say the sketching part, to use a drawing analogy), and the rest seems too robotic to be interesting. Or perhaps it's the perfectionism holding me back. Dunno.

Does Mobbsidian ever use Obsidian? Just curious. Never heard of Box.com till now. There appear to be new software like this coming out every day, seemingly offering the same exact product.

six-hour-per-day-per-channel junk

Does anyone ever listen to that stuff for more than 2 seconds?

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@alexander.alexis wow there's a name for sore... memories? Long time no see!

Yeah I think a lot of artistic types are the same. Another common issue I suffer with is the curse of improving in your craft during the process. By the time a project gets close to completion, what you created which was once gold is now perceived as trash.

Does Mobbsidian ever use Obsidian?

Dunno what this means lol but I did come up with the name based on just tacking an M at the start of obsidian so maybe it's a theme to go with my brand if I ever have one heh.

Does anyone ever listen to that stuff for more than 2 seconds?

Oh yeah for sure. The great tragedy of music is that streaming services have normalised the idea of just having background music for vague vibes rather than following anybody of your particular tastes. Just 'music to relax to' 'study music' 'help you sleep' 'gym music' etc. Millions upon millions listen and they literally don't care whatsoever that it's AI. So all the hard working creators just look at these identical copies of their work and just think... fuck it, whats the point

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This is what I meant: https://obsidian.md/

Yeah that makes sense, about background music.

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Looks like OneNote but with payment plans

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Obsidian is free. You can pay for some extras, like publishing your notes in the form of a website.

I never used OneNote, but I think its organization is hierarchical. If you make a note, you need to already know where to file it. If something falls under both 'psychology' and 'mathematics', what do you do?

In Obsidian, you just link the note to any other notes you want (e.g. 'psychology' and 'mathematics'), which is more similar to how our brains work, hence "second brain". But of course you can do the hierarchical thing too if you want.

Here is an example of a website made using Obsidian (i.e. just this person's personal notes made public):

https://publish.obsidian.md/discretecs/Logic/Deduction+rule

You can see the mind map (interactive graph) on the right, shows how this specific note links to other ones.

All your notes are stored in markdown files, which makes your notes vault future-proof. I.e. you can migrate your notes easily.

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...Do you work at Obsidian these days?

Anyway it looks fine I guess. I just don't live a life where I need to take notes. I just kinda do things lol

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