RE: Yep, this is already screwed. Beyond all repair.
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Leo and Valueplan are mining Hive for tokens. The whales are killing Hive by using AI bots to simulate society, and this is exacerbated by HW flagging actual people off the platform, concentrating stake in BT and smooth's bots.
Sooner or later they'll die, sell, or move on to something more productive of ROI. Then Hive will either die or have the opportunity to eliminate DV's and become an actual social media platform instead of an AI botting ROI trick.
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I would strongly disagree that Value Plan is mining Hive for tokens. They are actively working to promote Hive in various ways and doing a lot of great work. Tbh most of the people working for Value Plan really get abused by the overall community here. For example, I know Crim has put PLENTY of purchases on her personal credit card and then had to wait to maybe be reimbursed. Not only that then she puts herself at tax liability for selling HBD reimbursements for short-term capital gains. Value Plan is a great things and does a lot of work that most don't even give them credit for. It's easy to shake your fist at the thought of them when people think they just take money to do things for themselves. They don't. Crim has taken days off of her real job to go and promote Hive cause no one else is doing it in that regard. She has stayed awake for hours on end to put together events, speak with exchanges to get Hive listings, and so many other things. Saying Value Plan just mines Hive tokens is actually just ignorance of the truth.
I will point out that I have stated that there are good people doing good things. I have not once mentioned Crim other than that. None of the claimed fraud nor any of the obfuscation of investigation has involved anything Crim was doing or does do.
However, Crim is not the only actor in Valuplan, and my personal interactions with GP and LB really leave little doubt that there is actionable cause for seeking relief from harm. Both have not only failed to document their handling of funds they disbursed as administrators of Valueplan, but directly refused to do so when confronted with specific and credible claims of fraud.
Further, routes for funds to be routed to principals in Valueplan as kickbacks have been shown to be used for large sums.
It would be easy and free to dispel such accusations of fraud and corruption by simply showing receipts for expenditures that have been alleged to be theft. GP and LB have refused to do that, and have spent hours spewing all sorts of BS and completely disingenuous rhetoric claiming everything from interlocutors being insane, fantastic schizo conspiracy theories, and every kind of schoolyard insult and bullying tactic that can be imagined - instead of showing even one receipt.
You ask them questions about those claimed thefts by fraud and massive undocumented expenditures of funds from the DHF and see if your blind faith remains afterwards. I don't think it will.
I can't speak on what I don't know and from looking at your account you have been around far longer than I have and I'm sure have experienced more with them than I have. I've personally spoken to GP and really like the guy from what I know. I'm not exactly sure what the claims of theft are. I would love if you showed me something or gave me some sort of proof. I'm not asking cause I don't believe you, but I am asking cause I would like to see the evidence you're talking about. Thanks for giving such a great response and being willing to discuss this further. I would love to talk more about this and educate myself on these matters. Also, I am not sure who LB is? Can you expand on that more?
Here's my last post on the matter. Please click on the links to sources for my claims, and read the sources I cite to observe that I do not make anything up, and have repeatedly asked, pleaded, and demanded GP and LB (LordButterfly) for receipts to prove that they spent the huge sums of money they received from Valueplan well and wisely - and observe the answers, ridicule, and bitter insults I received instead of proof there was no fraud.
I hope you gain insight that will help you make wise decisions going forward, and gives you peace of mind because you make decisions based on good information that you take the time and make the effort to learn.
Edit: LOL I forgot the link to the post.
Here's another link to my comment on Valueplan's recent request for bridge funding because they spent all the money they already got too fast to keep spending money constantly.
On these links it can be useful to go back to see where the interaction came from as well as reading through to the end.
Awesome! I will give these a read.