Hive needs professional music artists
There are lots of areas in which Hive could grow. It ought to be massive in the crypto world instead of people meeting up on centralised corporate platforms. I am a big music fan, so I want to see much more of that here. The mega-acts can have millions of fans elsewhere and can probably earn from that, but if your just have hundreds or thousands of fans then life can be tough. You have to fight and possibly pay to get noticed. Meanwhile, anyone can post on Hive an earn. If an artist brings their fanbase here then both sides stand to gain.
I was discussing this with @thelogicaldude on this post. They were saying that some in the music industry are aware of Hive, but they do not see it as a big enough audience to be interesting. I can see their point as we only have a few thousand people looking at posts. Most of those here want to be a 'content creator' to earn rather than a consumer, but we need both and the content needs to be of a high quality if we want the world to take notice.
There is plenty of music on Hive, but a lot of that is people doing covers. That is fun, but we need that original material here. I do not want to put down efforts like the Vibes contest set up by @lordbutterfly. That has got lots of people posting and earning nice prizes. I know it was set up to attract more musicians to join Hive, but I do not know how much success they have had so far. Prizes of hundreds of dollars ought to be attractive, but then you need to keep them coming back.
A key factor is getting the fans here too and it is up to the artists to bring them in. Others may help to create the accounts for free. Whether this happens may depend on how well they are doing on other platforms. We need them to be including a Hive link on their sites and profiles as well as talking about Hive at shows.
Another project that has driven a lot of music on Hive is @risingstargame that is based around being in the music industry. Lots of musicians are putting their music into the game on the Rising Star Radio as well as selling it as NFTs. I have bought a lot of music that way and some came as physical vinyl from artists like @langvmusic, @double-eagle & @unitedduality, @ravenmus1c, @trentonlundy1, @stickupboys and more. Not all of these people are that active on Hive and that may be due to their fans being elsewhere.
@blocktunes is another project that aims to promote music on the blockchain. They provide services to get it onto the big streaming platforms, so I need to look into that for when I have new music to put out.
@thelogicaldude was saying we need more electronic music artists, but that is not an area I know much about. I know @uwelang is more knowledgeable on that.
My tastes are quite varied and I find a lot to enjoy. Some of the musicians I follow are:
- @thetroublenotes are a band I saw play live in London recently. They do lots of festivals around Europe and have toured in the USA.
- @alex-rourke runs a recording studio in Guatemala.
- @giampaolo19 is a drummer from Italy who has played with some big names and does various session work as well as playing some cool gigs.
- @harbiter is also from Italy where he makes some dark rock.
- @oripenalver drums with an all female rock band in Venezuela.
There have been others who came and went over the years. On the 'legacy blockchain' I think they made some efforts to get some big names to join, but most did not stay for long. That is not so surprising when they may get hardly any comments.
I think we need to do more to get people listening to the music on Hive. We need directories of artists so the listeners can find what they might like. It may be possible to build apps that can emulates some of what Spotify does and they could include ways to support the music with votes. I think there may have been some attempts at this, but I cannot keep up with everything.
We as Hive users need to accept that our own content may not have a mass market, but by supporting the people who could really bring in many more consumers we are building Hive up to be a better platform. If Hive grows then we all benefit.
I know that crypto is going through a rough patch, but Hive has massive potential to do much better than it has been. There are currently hundreds of other crypto projects ranking above it, but how many of them have real use-cases? Hive is for everyone.
I have done posts on this topic before, but we are still not making the progress I would like to see. Am I talking rubbish? I will support the projects and artists I know about and will help out in other ways I can.
If you can recommend some original music on Hive to me then I will give it some support.
Rock on!
It is at the point now that financially not worth it and there is no fanbase here at the moment although there was last bull so things must change...so it is tricky. Giving people lots of rewards to come to hive that they then sell adds no value. So I guess what value are the musicians bringing here? I wish Hive had a streaming service as there is no viable web3 music streaming service....
The fans are not here because the artists are not. They earn nothing on other platforms that bombard them with crap, so why not try something else? You are pioneers with this. We need others to follow.
The only way to uproot the entire music industry and move them here is to give the audience a better deal.
I'm not that ambitious! :) Hive removes the middle man anyway.
Often, and consistently, since day one, people here seem to overlook one of the coolest things, ever.
Would you like to know what I did, as an artist, on this platform, to find success?
I shared half my earnings with all those interested enough to support my work. Traditionally, people spend money on entertainment. Here, they can stake tokens, support the arts, earn to do so, plus stand a strong chance to have all, more, or a least some of their money back if they decide supporting the arts and things they enjoy is no longer something they want to do.
Yes. Attracting and paying more artists does NOTHING for this place. Having people show up and share the existing support with all that came before is literally called, "Stagnation."
However, something like music could thrive if people understood what I just said. Scaled up, as the market crashed today, there would still be millions of dollars entering this ecosystem. With that, the artist can actually make money, plus have the paying audience they've grown accustomed to having for centuries.
It's basically taking the tools we already have and using them effectively. Like taking this dull knife we all seem to love so much, turning it over, and using the sharp edge to cut instead.
Rather than "selling" the music. You "sell" the concept of earning while supporting the arts. That's how you bring the masses to all this content. Simply give them a deal they cannot refuse.
You've written more here in comments than I did in the post :)
Budding musicians have to be social media savvy these days. Hive offers opportunities that include earning something from the start, but there are plenty of challenges. I don't say it will be easy.
We need to get across the idea that you can earn without people sending you money and that is a really radical concept. Of course they can sell music here too as NFTs or just regular downloads. We have some projects in place to do both.
There used to be with dsound.io back in the day on Steem which was a Soundcloud style option, and then Emanate tried to do a streaming service, but they couldn't drive the traffic either. But both of them are gone at this point. BlockTunes is hanging on by a thread, and that is because everything is built and running, but the new EVM app will hopefully bring some life through some bigger chains, but do it in a different way where they actually have utility.
Building a media hosting platform is a big challenge. You can get into all sorts of copyright and licencing issues on top of the technical stuff.
I used dsound and it was great, but I think it was one guy and it's a lot of work.
It’s a ton of work. That’s the problem with BlockTunes, it’s really only me, 🤣
I get it. A lot of Hive projects are run by one or two people, so could easily go away.
Couldn't agree more. I wonder how many singers that got massive high rewards for covering a song is actively engaged in the community
I can assure you next to none.
Personally, I don't think dedicated content creators should have to engage with "The Hive Community" in ways defined by the archaic and dysfunctional Hive culture. Where does one find time to focus on their own work?
Engaging with their own audience would be a wise choice. Anything beyond that shouldn't be a requirement. They're bringing their talent to the table. That's enough.
It's the audience or consumers who do the engagement part.
I think it's time "The Hive Community" learns the difference between the roles of creator and consumer, then starts embracing both.
To say that a content creator shouldn't have to engage with a particular sector of fans, in whatever way as defined, seems to imply that particular sector is less worthy of others. Why is engaging with their own audience a wise choice, but not with the Hive community? Are we lesser than the mass public? Or are these dedicated content creators a cut above the other content creators on Hive?
In fact, who are these 'dedicated' content creators? Given that Hive is decentralised, who defines them as dedicated or not? 🤔
How often does Taylor Swift come and say hello to you?
I'm sorry but I think you're too deep into the Hive bubble to be able to see where I'm coming from.
Decentralized means the individual would make that decision. Much like the real world. Someone saying they're not a valid community member for not saying hello and acknowledging everyone, probably wants more control than they deserve.
I wouldn't expect Swift to have any interest in Hive. She will make billions anyway.
Every step she takes is worth 20k, at least. Of course she wouldn't come and play for 1000 people and be interested in being sprinkled with tokens.
We have to set realistic expectations :)
As a human, she's the same as us. Things weren't always this way for her. Even at the beginning, how often did she say hello to you? lol
I expect she talked to a lot of fans when she started out, but I don't know much about her.
To clarify: It's unreasonable to expect or demand anyone say hello and mingle with everyone. Doesn't matter who it is. Neighbors are all valid community members, yet how often do they all come say hello to you? Strong chance you don't know majority of them and they don't know you. Community still thrives. You wouldn't tell your neighbors to leave or work harder just because they don't say hello to you, or act like they don't belong there because you don't know one another. If you did, you're being a dysfunctional community member, causing problems in the neighborhood.
This is a community. Synonymous with city. We have plenty of examples of how those function in the real world, so this should all come naturally to people.
Some of the most successful people in the world, bringing tremendous value to communities, have never said hello to you. It's something to think about.
Some people here create the vibe they think they are "The Hive Community" and everyone else here is an outsider until those "outsiders" adhere to "The Hive Community code of conduct."
Naturally, that would creep people out. It's archaic and dysfunctional.
There are lots of different scenarios where people relate to each other. I can't say I know my neighbours too well and have no say in what they do.
Can we even say who runs the Hive community? A lot of the whales don't get too involved, but some with big stakes or delegations will use them to impose their own 'code'. We ought to be acting in the interests of the platform as a whole, but some enjoy that power.
I've seen someone today getting pissed off with the 'police' and their rules. He's been around for years, so should know what to expect, but new people may be surprised/shocked.
Not one individual here can say they speak for "The Hive Community."
They can certainly speak for themselves.
I've been here for nearly a decade. I'm looking at this one particular scenario and seeing it play out quite often. People are grumbling again because others signed up. Published some great content. In this case music. And rather than appreciating that, the artists get picked apart, behind their backs but out in the open, basically the makings of being ostracized.
So they come along, see the post, and read the comments. There they are doing that "engagement" thing they're "supposed" to be doing.
Leave feeling unwelcome and disrespected. They might even make the mistake of thinking those individuals have leadership qualities or seniority.
I study this, I see the same pattern, often. I think things like: Where did they get the idea not engaging is a way to discredit someone?
Archaic and dysfunctional hive culture is the answer. Clearly that behavior isn't productive but if you get enough engaging in that behavior, it becomes the norm.
And when society thinks something is normal, the behavior could be destroying the community, but they'll never be able to see how, continue to do it, and blame "The Outsiders" for all the problems.
Hive is life in a Petri dish.
I've been here a long time. I've met and talked to some of the big guns. They are just people with opinions. There are some actual trolls, but they are pretty rare really.
I've spoken to thousands of people here. Tens of thousands have stumbled into my thoughts. I don't see "big people" and "little people." I just see people. From all walks of life. I don't get lost in the Hive bubble or expect people to be any different here than what we'd see on Earth. HP and rep number means nothing when it comes to defining character.
People lost in the Hive bubble or that archaic and dysfunctional Hive culture; some walk around calling themselves "little people." Grown adults who would never act like that in life, convincing themselves and attempting to convince others they are "little."
I'd call that "flexing your weakness." Some will use that to manipulate and gain from others.
These "big guns" or "big people" you've described. Rarely flexing. Rarely trying to knock people down. If they did, that would also be a display of one "flexing their weakness." Some will use that to manipulate and gain from others.
It's all the same. Some are trolls, some are not. Everyone here is just a regular human going about their day. Nobody is special. Nobody is perfect.
I would LOVE to see an artist show up, bring a massive amount of attention and paying supporters with them, all while ignoring everyone else that thinks they are "The Hive Community."
That would be so good for business.
I would LOVE to see "The Hive Community" attempt to tell them they're not worthy. Then I would LOVE to see them raise their middle finger, and take themselves and everyone else somewhere NORMAL.
That might be bad for business but at least people could learn a valuable lesson, for the future.
It's decentralized. Hive is just a set of tools anyone can pick up and use. You're not grasping decentralization if you think you can tell them how to use their lives.
"Archaic and dysfunctional Hive culture" needs to go.
Hive does have issues with snobbery among people who think they know how it should operate. Nobody is actually in charge and the community gets to decide what goes. If anyone turns up saying they are a certain musician then they can expect to be asked for proof, but it should be done nicely rather than going straight for threats and downvotes.
A real artist would know how to make it clear it's really them, straight out of the gates.
Decentralized doesn't mean we're in control of everything. It means we're in control of ourselves, that's all, and nobody can take that away from you.
Maybe to help you better understand where I'm coming from, I'll just speak from experience.
It is incredibly time consuming to create any artform. Impossible to produce art and read posts at the same time.
There were several times I sat for the entire day talking to several people under my posts after publishing. No time to be anywhere else. I'd be having several conversations all at once. No attention span left for anything else but that.
Rewarding them at times would burn up all my voting power. No voting power left to use on other posts and never once did I automate anything.
So I know from experience asking people to go beyond that, is too much. Saying they're not doing enough or thinking they must be a snob because they're busy in their own little world, is ludicrous. Terrible culture to have here.
And I did all that, my way, because I wanted to. Wasn't some weird set of guidelines presented to me by "The Community" putting me on that path. Blazed my own trail.
Did well, so I recommend that approach to everyone.
If you folks want quality music here, nobody will want to work all day on that, or all week, present it here, only to be told they're not doing enough by the self-appointed volunteer community standards council.
Creators create. Consumers consume. This place has always had a severe lack of actual consumers, and content creators vanish quite often because of that, and maybe due to being pushed into doing things they don't have the time to do.
A lot of big stars started off on social media and had to engage with fans to build a following. I'm thinking of people like them rather than megastars who are doing fine anyway.
Maybe I do sound a little loopy and over the top sometimes, but just know, it's still coming from a place where commonsense resides.
There's a difference between the megastars and the struggling musicians who may have a few hundred fans. I know some of the latter and they are very active on other platforms engaging with fans. They do have to balance time doing that with actually making music.
I think the potential for Hive is more with the smaller acts, but even if a few bands bring in a couple of thousand fans then it would have an impact on Hive given how few active people we have. Those fans could find other stuff they like here. We need pioneers to take a chance with it.
I'm a huge proponent of the independent arts. Some of the biggest names in the industry today started out as unknowns, posting their work on various social platforms. I hear exactly what you're saying. It's close to being the echo of some of the things I've been saying for years. And dude, I have my own experiences. I totally get it.
And of course, people, when they have a moment, will step outside and mingle. That's life. Totally normal.
What isn't normal, is having it forced on you, or others frowning upon you for putting your own work and audience, first. That's going against the natural flow and at times being enforced by people who don't have experience.
Artists know what they're doing. And they know not to play where they're not welcome as well. One of the first things I did on this platform to entertain people was a joke using the f word, quite often. Comedy, and of course not everyone's cup of tea. Some dude popped in calling me a lowlife, demanding that material and me be removed from this place, in so many words.
That was the day I decided to stand up for the arts here.
I've put out original music and know others who do it for little reward. Getting noticed is hard. You have to market yourself.
The music scene has changed a lot since I was young and perhaps Hive can be part of the evolution. We just need to keep doing what we can to support that. Miracles are rare.
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Now look at my thumbnails and compare them to the others. Everyone stares at a train wreck... lol I could literally gather attention with "Nothing."
I'm all for supporting it. Often attempting to explain this support system to others and seeing it as something other than the basic "curation" method we're misled to believe is productive, is one of my ways of attempting to show support. First one with the ability to gain traction with that will do very well, then it snowballs as more catch on. Then Hive is out of this mess.
Could not agree more, the whole Vibes thing ribs my goat with the massive rewards for karaoke and then sell rinse and repeat.
Like the football chants ... Who are you Who are you
Oh yes, and when I asked for a section that music producers could submit their self produced music, I got told that this can be cheated and abused very easily. Although I showed my project file, and showed how I worked on the seperate stems of the songs. He wasn´t convinced and got quite rude to me.
Instead of bringing more real musicians on Hive, he gives people that have no idea about crypto and doesn´t want to know anything about crypto rewards that they just sell, and dump the market. I couldn´t agree more with you. And I think the Vibes project is a negative thing for Hive in the long run.
We need the right balance with these things. I saw your previous discussions, but it seems they have different aims. People who have plenty of evidence of their music output on Hive and elsewhere can provide proof of their skills.
We have to accept that some people are only earning from their creative work and so I would not begrudge them cashing out. They will have to stay active and build a following to keep earning. We do have some artists on here who are doing both those things.
I think contests ought to take account of whether people actually engage.
There used to be such a huge community. It's sad to see that it has dwindled so much.
We have to reflect on why that is. I don't think it's down to a single cause (downvotes, the price). Lack of engagement may be a factor.
That's probably true.
It would be cool. Half the problem has always been the fact that everyone wants to be a creator to earn those sweet rewards which they then sell. I like to support artists of many stripes but bog standard karaoke style covers arent totally my thing. Or may others I suspect
Yes, we all want to be influencers here, but we need some to be influenced. I think it is partly a scale issue. Hive would be different if it were much bigger.
It would indeed. One of the problems it has though which I have said from the beginning is that blogging is niche and also kinda ded. Which is why the gaming and music and other types of content creation are important.
Exactly. Hive offers lots of options.
Would be cool having real songs from real musicians.
As for Vibes thing, it is a shame that people (engaging Hivians) singing their own material from what I saw did not get the massive rewards of karaoke singers who then just dump their Hive.
I did speak to a local band who were thanks but no thanks when I was showing Hive to them.
I did have high hopes of Rising Star for musicians.
Ah well let's hope when there is a bull run for Hive that we can attract some real live musicians to Hive.
We need more musicians who will take a chance on Hive, but most are pretty busy and go where the audience is.
I agree with the Stick Up Boys. This would change things alot when we had a streaming service.
Sad in general that not many people use Hive, but use Instagram and TikTok instead.
We need a much bigger userbase in general, then it will also be easier for the musicians, and more musicians would be attracted to the platform.
The main problem I see, is that no bigger companies develop projects on Hive, but mostly only private people. That leads to the projects not being professional and developed enough. We need more professional dapps to attract more people here.
A professional looking video streaming service like Twitch, and a music streaming service like Spotify. This would change the game for Hive completely.
As for the engage question in general:
Well it is hard for a musician to get people really involved with the own music and product. But From day 1 on I got massive support on Hive. Not only people liking and commenting my posts, but also supporting on other platforms so I could earn something with my music. They buy my own token, they entered my Discord to support, etc.
I do alot for my community with NFTs, events, etc. I agree that this is alot of work, and I would rather use my time to make more music than take care of all this so many hours of the week. It is alot of work, and often too much for sure.
But to have success on other non-crypto platforms, it requires alot of work too. You always just can´t only make music. You need to do marketing and artist-fan building work.
There used to be massive support here on Hive, but since 1,5 years it got quiet. I hope for the next bullrun, so that the massive support comes back.
It is disappointing how Hive has not taken off when we know it can be great. Big companies may not invest in it if they think it's too small, so it's partly up to each of us to market it. You have done some great work that needs to be recognised. I'm glad you are still here anyway.
If the music scene here has a strong enough pile of HP backing it, there's that chance the DHF could provide funding. I'd want to see it directly connected to Hive though. Not some dApp hidden off to the side somewhere paying out one of those random community tokens that seem to turn to dust quite often. Wouldn't want to be distracted, messing around with "tokenomics" all day, basically turning it into another crypto forum.
Could be a one stop shop for legit arts and entertainment only. Video, Streaming and spotify and social network so you can connect with the audience. With plenty of emphasis placed on actual consumption. Not just a platform for creators to post into the void. A place where consumers are excited to be there, enjoying being rewarded for supporting the arts with their money, as they do, rather than throwing it away. Actual listeners. Need something that creates buy pressure constantly, from consumers, so artists can actually earn without causing tremendous sell pressure. No tricks. No gimmicks. A mass of consumers staking HIVE and using HBD for purchases eventually turns that funding into profit as well. Much easier to market a product like that than the name of a blockchain.
Get some devs willing to work alongside some artists rather than just slapping something together. For some strange reason I think that would yield some solid results.
Would be nice...
It needs people to fund these things. Like it or not, Vibes has money behind it and perhaps the prizes could be better targeted. I have entered a few times and not won, but I got some very nice votes anyway. It seems some whales are interested in supporting music, so we need to be talking to them.
I haven't been paying much attention to Vibes lately, simply because I don't have the time. I liked what they're doing and respect the artists. Early on, some of those performances were gathering tens of thousands of views on the outside. That's the part most here overlook. It's an indirect form of marketing.
I've seen solid talent taking part in Vibes. Real musicians. Real artists.
Cover songs can be ideal in those situations. Youtube has millions of cover songs with billions of views. If the original artist discovers it, likes it, then shares it, it goes viral. Then you have millions of people hearing "Hive" before the song starts.
People deep in the Hive bubble would easily overlook the strategies and happenings behind the scenes, only concerned about votes and money and why they're not getting it.
So yeah, you'd want to include them and what it brings to the table as well. I'm looking around the comments and complaints, noticing plenty are missing the mark, but that's okay. A few bad performances shouldn't define the entire Vibes community, when there's so much actual talent showing up to perform as well. No point in knocking down those who try.
These things need to happen in stages, so getting music fans onboard is the next step. A dApp where they feel comfortable would be wise. I'm sure it would have support, from more than just "whales."
So you mean @blocktunes can help me distribute my music? I’m trying to look for a way to penetrate into the music world but I don’t know how to
You need to look into it and see if they have what you need.
Then Hive would also need a bunch of listeners :) We have people who create content, but very few of those who consume it ;) Kinda like you threaded - we lack organic engagement
As I've often said, the musicians need to bring their fans over. That could boost the active numbers. Those people might find other stuff they like here. Everyone has multiple interests. We have to start somewhere and we need creators who will take a chance on a different platform.
Yes, better to follow you here than on FB or Instagram :)
There’s a few places out there that I use other than Hive where I post my music, such as SoundCloud, Substack and even Threads where there is a strong community of both pro and amateur musicians or producers on each. I always think, if only this were going on over here on Hive.
I will have to consider where I will put out new music I make. I already use 3speak in preference to Youtube, but I know this restricts my audience. Getting more people on Hive addresses a lot of the issues. Of course we can post elsewhere and share it here. We do need good tools to embed more types of media. I am not even sure which ones currently work.
Better embed support is badly needed and to be consistent across the apps in how it is supported. I for one would love to natively post audio files on the platform somehow, as that would work well for one of my projects which is a bit hindered by this not being possible. I’m going to start posting some videos on YouTube that will be embedded in my posts here and in the YouTube description there will be links to the Hive posts in order to hopefully entice some people over here.
Hey thanks for the mention!
It has been a little while since I've been active on Hive, partially because I got out of the habit, but also because in terms of music I'm primarily interested in physical media. There are definitely people here interested in new music (like me), but fewer interested in physical media of that music. So naturally I have to find a wider audience who is interested in buying said physical media.
Although I do keep meaning to make a post about a new LP out of all RUSH covers which features Double Eagle and @theturtleproject
Anyways I don't know the solution but I do know I'll keep putting out records!!!
It has been pointed out that musicians are busy people, but some are very engaged with social media. I've bought physical media from you via Hive, so that is an option.
I hope you will find time to post soon.
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As an artist I totally agree with you @steevc and I'm really aware of the fact that yes, I can find a new audience here on Hive but I've also got the responsibility to (at least) try to bring some people in. Unfortunately my existing audience is too small and don't listen to me 😅 so I can't do it yet.
However I talked about Hive sometimes on my Instagram and I'll keep doing it, because sincerely, it doesn't cost anything to me to do so. Actually it's better, is just more easy content for me.
I know that having a blog adds value to what I provide to my fans and this is the reason I started doing it in the first place. Better do it where I can be paid for it, no?
And I knew from the start that engagement comes from engagement. Because engaging with each other creates the community. But maybe Hive shouldn't be marketed as a "earn to post" place, no more.
About the content, I feel like this implicit requirement for long form content probably creates an obstacle for creating simple easy content that could be more engaging. At the same time, web2 got us used to high standards that I see Hive creators struggle to achieve.
And I need to mention also this extreme sense of not recycling content. I get it why, but as I read in the comments, using Hive takes time and I'd like to use the same content I make in web2 because using more time exclusively for Hive takes away time for doing other things that I need to do as an artist that wants to be discovered.
It is up to each artist how they publicise their music, but I hope to see some Hive exclusives. Good luck with getting people to join. I can create accounts if you need them.
Creating music can be a lot of work, but I imagine musicians posting updates on what they are doing and sneak peeks of new music. They can publicise gigs too. These do not have to be long posts, but could still be original and unique. @dbuzz explicitly allows short posts and you can set a limit on the rewards. If course you can also decline rewards if people might think you are milking rewards.
Hive is a land of opportunities and I hope it can be good to you.
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Talking about the work an artist has to do to attract people towards his original music. The artist must expose his same song over and over and over again to get attention by a person. A casual listener needs to listen that song over and over again to just recognize it and maybe get to like it and engage.
So, here, how many times I can post about the same song in every music community before starting to get downvotes because I'm spamming? How can I showcase my original music if I have an implicit amount of cross posts allowed before getting downvoted for spam?
Look, I'm not angry about it. I'm just exposing how difficult is for an artist to be discovered in the web2 and that here we've got even less bullets to shoot 🙃
We have to be creative in these things. As I said before, you can decline rewards if repeating something. We need tools that let fans easily access the music they enjoy and that might be outside the normal blog format. I do not know how it will all work, but others may have ideas.
The easy way: Just sit here and ramble on about whatever. Then slip your art in. I'll show you an example. I was once a writer and digital artist here. This post I'll share with you from long ago includes art I had already produced and released here. The only thing new was the writing.
https://peakd.com/life/@nonameslefttouse/where-have-my-thoughts-gone
I spent a lot of time producing that art. Could repurpose them a million different ways.
No downvotes and a metric shit-ton of engagement.
What a hell of engagement you had there! Amazing.
Sure I will find different ways to expose my work and I know it's a long term run. Secret is never give up and keep going and posting and interacting 💪🏻
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Great subject.
I have been actively promoting Rising Star game and Hive lately on my music networks.
There are many issues here but I will focus on a few.
Visibility or invisibility on web2 platforms.
For examples I have 2k followers on Facebook, but my posts are visible to no more than 10.
Similar is on X, bit better on Instagram.
In a same time if you just blindly post on those networks there is big chance you will attract more bots than real people.
Then we have issues with habbits that are most difficult to break.
Although more and more people complain about Web2 or Spotify, they still use those networks and are unwilling to put in again effort, to learn about and use Web3..
Especially bit older generations that are huge consumers of music, but it took them decade just to dig into Facebook and streaming, who is going to learn about Hive and Blockchain now? :)
Rock On.!
I get how it's hard to wean people off the other platforms. They will go where the audience is, but you give up control. We do need better tools on Hive to share music though.
I just killed off my Twtr account for various reasons. It has turned to shit.
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I think professional musicians are looking for a platform that offers more integration than Instagram. We need a space where we can share photos, videos, and concise information about our merchandise and concert locations. Hive, on the other hand, functions more like a blog. It could be an excellent platform for music teachers to share lessons, journalists to conduct music interviews, music bloggers, and even photographers. What do you think ?
Hive does offer different types of content via various apps. We have Dbuzz for microblogs, 3speak for video, Liketu for Instagram type photo posts. All of those are visible in the general apps such as hive.blog, peakd and Ecency.
Some of the apps allow for a limit on rewards to reduce disputes over what a post is worth. You can also decline rewards.
What value do you get from Hive? Of course I'm glad you are here, but I know you don't get too much engagement so far.
Steve. I'm not that concern about getting fans or work from Hive. I like this platform because is free and I can't stand Elon and Zuckerberg. I think Instagram is the perfect app for musicians, short, superficial, immediate, easy to use and interact. I still think Hive as a better https://medium.com/
I just deleted my Twtr account as Musk is so terrible. I don't really use Instagram. I do think Hive has a lot to offer. I'm going to Hivefest next month and will be discussing these topics with people.
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As a professional musician, here’s what I think is really needed:
A Real Spotify: We need a streaming platform without bots and fake plays—something where every stream is genuine and truly reflects listener engagement. It should also have the capability to sell music NFTs, giving artists another way to monetize their work.
A Better SoundBetter: A platform like SoundBetter, but without the "pay more, get more work" system. It should be a fair space where we can connect with studios, session musicians, artists, and dancers for collaboration—kind of like Fiverr, but for music.
A Global Festival Directory: A single platform that lists music festivals around the world. It would make it so much easier to find and apply to festivals that match our style and goals.
A Metaverse for Media Organization: A virtual space where we can organize and showcase our media, including music, videos, and NFTs, in an immersive environment.
Right now, I get 100% of my online work through Instagram, but having a platform that combines all of the above would be a game changer.
Some of these tools need some major investment and development. There are various teams developing projects on Hive, but I'm not sure any of these is coming soon. We used to have a Soundcloud equivalent, but it ceased ages ago.
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