RE: Hive needs professional music artists
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Giving people lots of rewards to come to hive that they then sell adds no value
Couldn't agree more. I wonder how many singers that got massive high rewards for covering a song is actively engaged in the community
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I can assure you next to none.
Personally, I don't think dedicated content creators should have to engage with "The Hive Community" in ways defined by the archaic and dysfunctional Hive culture. Where does one find time to focus on their own work?
Engaging with their own audience would be a wise choice. Anything beyond that shouldn't be a requirement. They're bringing their talent to the table. That's enough.
It's the audience or consumers who do the engagement part.
I think it's time "The Hive Community" learns the difference between the roles of creator and consumer, then starts embracing both.
To say that a content creator shouldn't have to engage with a particular sector of fans, in whatever way as defined, seems to imply that particular sector is less worthy of others. Why is engaging with their own audience a wise choice, but not with the Hive community? Are we lesser than the mass public? Or are these dedicated content creators a cut above the other content creators on Hive?
In fact, who are these 'dedicated' content creators? Given that Hive is decentralised, who defines them as dedicated or not? 🤔
How often does Taylor Swift come and say hello to you?
I'm sorry but I think you're too deep into the Hive bubble to be able to see where I'm coming from.
Decentralized means the individual would make that decision. Much like the real world. Someone saying they're not a valid community member for not saying hello and acknowledging everyone, probably wants more control than they deserve.
I wouldn't expect Swift to have any interest in Hive. She will make billions anyway.
Every step she takes is worth 20k, at least. Of course she wouldn't come and play for 1000 people and be interested in being sprinkled with tokens.
We have to set realistic expectations :)
As a human, she's the same as us. Things weren't always this way for her. Even at the beginning, how often did she say hello to you? lol
I expect she talked to a lot of fans when she started out, but I don't know much about her.
To clarify: It's unreasonable to expect or demand anyone say hello and mingle with everyone. Doesn't matter who it is. Neighbors are all valid community members, yet how often do they all come say hello to you? Strong chance you don't know majority of them and they don't know you. Community still thrives. You wouldn't tell your neighbors to leave or work harder just because they don't say hello to you, or act like they don't belong there because you don't know one another. If you did, you're being a dysfunctional community member, causing problems in the neighborhood.
This is a community. Synonymous with city. We have plenty of examples of how those function in the real world, so this should all come naturally to people.
Some of the most successful people in the world, bringing tremendous value to communities, have never said hello to you. It's something to think about.
Some people here create the vibe they think they are "The Hive Community" and everyone else here is an outsider until those "outsiders" adhere to "The Hive Community code of conduct."
Naturally, that would creep people out. It's archaic and dysfunctional.
There are lots of different scenarios where people relate to each other. I can't say I know my neighbours too well and have no say in what they do.
Can we even say who runs the Hive community? A lot of the whales don't get too involved, but some with big stakes or delegations will use them to impose their own 'code'. We ought to be acting in the interests of the platform as a whole, but some enjoy that power.
I've seen someone today getting pissed off with the 'police' and their rules. He's been around for years, so should know what to expect, but new people may be surprised/shocked.
Not one individual here can say they speak for "The Hive Community."
They can certainly speak for themselves.
I've been here for nearly a decade. I'm looking at this one particular scenario and seeing it play out quite often. People are grumbling again because others signed up. Published some great content. In this case music. And rather than appreciating that, the artists get picked apart, behind their backs but out in the open, basically the makings of being ostracized.
So they come along, see the post, and read the comments. There they are doing that "engagement" thing they're "supposed" to be doing.
Leave feeling unwelcome and disrespected. They might even make the mistake of thinking those individuals have leadership qualities or seniority.
I study this, I see the same pattern, often. I think things like: Where did they get the idea not engaging is a way to discredit someone?
Archaic and dysfunctional hive culture is the answer. Clearly that behavior isn't productive but if you get enough engaging in that behavior, it becomes the norm.
And when society thinks something is normal, the behavior could be destroying the community, but they'll never be able to see how, continue to do it, and blame "The Outsiders" for all the problems.
Hive is life in a Petri dish.
I've been here a long time. I've met and talked to some of the big guns. They are just people with opinions. There are some actual trolls, but they are pretty rare really.
I've spoken to thousands of people here. Tens of thousands have stumbled into my thoughts. I don't see "big people" and "little people." I just see people. From all walks of life. I don't get lost in the Hive bubble or expect people to be any different here than what we'd see on Earth. HP and rep number means nothing when it comes to defining character.
People lost in the Hive bubble or that archaic and dysfunctional Hive culture; some walk around calling themselves "little people." Grown adults who would never act like that in life, convincing themselves and attempting to convince others they are "little."
I'd call that "flexing your weakness." Some will use that to manipulate and gain from others.
These "big guns" or "big people" you've described. Rarely flexing. Rarely trying to knock people down. If they did, that would also be a display of one "flexing their weakness." Some will use that to manipulate and gain from others.
It's all the same. Some are trolls, some are not. Everyone here is just a regular human going about their day. Nobody is special. Nobody is perfect.
I would LOVE to see an artist show up, bring a massive amount of attention and paying supporters with them, all while ignoring everyone else that thinks they are "The Hive Community."
That would be so good for business.
I would LOVE to see "The Hive Community" attempt to tell them they're not worthy. Then I would LOVE to see them raise their middle finger, and take themselves and everyone else somewhere NORMAL.
That might be bad for business but at least people could learn a valuable lesson, for the future.
It's decentralized. Hive is just a set of tools anyone can pick up and use. You're not grasping decentralization if you think you can tell them how to use their lives.
"Archaic and dysfunctional Hive culture" needs to go.
Hive does have issues with snobbery among people who think they know how it should operate. Nobody is actually in charge and the community gets to decide what goes. If anyone turns up saying they are a certain musician then they can expect to be asked for proof, but it should be done nicely rather than going straight for threats and downvotes.
A real artist would know how to make it clear it's really them, straight out of the gates.
Decentralized doesn't mean we're in control of everything. It means we're in control of ourselves, that's all, and nobody can take that away from you.
Maybe to help you better understand where I'm coming from, I'll just speak from experience.
It is incredibly time consuming to create any artform. Impossible to produce art and read posts at the same time.
There were several times I sat for the entire day talking to several people under my posts after publishing. No time to be anywhere else. I'd be having several conversations all at once. No attention span left for anything else but that.
Rewarding them at times would burn up all my voting power. No voting power left to use on other posts and never once did I automate anything.
So I know from experience asking people to go beyond that, is too much. Saying they're not doing enough or thinking they must be a snob because they're busy in their own little world, is ludicrous. Terrible culture to have here.
And I did all that, my way, because I wanted to. Wasn't some weird set of guidelines presented to me by "The Community" putting me on that path. Blazed my own trail.
Did well, so I recommend that approach to everyone.
If you folks want quality music here, nobody will want to work all day on that, or all week, present it here, only to be told they're not doing enough by the self-appointed volunteer community standards council.
Creators create. Consumers consume. This place has always had a severe lack of actual consumers, and content creators vanish quite often because of that, and maybe due to being pushed into doing things they don't have the time to do.
A lot of big stars started off on social media and had to engage with fans to build a following. I'm thinking of people like them rather than megastars who are doing fine anyway.
Maybe I do sound a little loopy and over the top sometimes, but just know, it's still coming from a place where commonsense resides.
There's a difference between the megastars and the struggling musicians who may have a few hundred fans. I know some of the latter and they are very active on other platforms engaging with fans. They do have to balance time doing that with actually making music.
I think the potential for Hive is more with the smaller acts, but even if a few bands bring in a couple of thousand fans then it would have an impact on Hive given how few active people we have. Those fans could find other stuff they like here. We need pioneers to take a chance with it.
I'm a huge proponent of the independent arts. Some of the biggest names in the industry today started out as unknowns, posting their work on various social platforms. I hear exactly what you're saying. It's close to being the echo of some of the things I've been saying for years. And dude, I have my own experiences. I totally get it.
And of course, people, when they have a moment, will step outside and mingle. That's life. Totally normal.
What isn't normal, is having it forced on you, or others frowning upon you for putting your own work and audience, first. That's going against the natural flow and at times being enforced by people who don't have experience.
Artists know what they're doing. And they know not to play where they're not welcome as well. One of the first things I did on this platform to entertain people was a joke using the f word, quite often. Comedy, and of course not everyone's cup of tea. Some dude popped in calling me a lowlife, demanding that material and me be removed from this place, in so many words.
That was the day I decided to stand up for the arts here.
I've put out original music and know others who do it for little reward. Getting noticed is hard. You have to market yourself.
The music scene has changed a lot since I was young and perhaps Hive can be part of the evolution. We just need to keep doing what we can to support that. Miracles are rare.
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Now look at my thumbnails and compare them to the others. Everyone stares at a train wreck... lol I could literally gather attention with "Nothing."
I'm all for supporting it. Often attempting to explain this support system to others and seeing it as something other than the basic "curation" method we're misled to believe is productive, is one of my ways of attempting to show support. First one with the ability to gain traction with that will do very well, then it snowballs as more catch on. Then Hive is out of this mess.
Could not agree more, the whole Vibes thing ribs my goat with the massive rewards for karaoke and then sell rinse and repeat.
Like the football chants ... Who are you Who are you
Oh yes, and when I asked for a section that music producers could submit their self produced music, I got told that this can be cheated and abused very easily. Although I showed my project file, and showed how I worked on the seperate stems of the songs. He wasn´t convinced and got quite rude to me.
Instead of bringing more real musicians on Hive, he gives people that have no idea about crypto and doesn´t want to know anything about crypto rewards that they just sell, and dump the market. I couldn´t agree more with you. And I think the Vibes project is a negative thing for Hive in the long run.
We need the right balance with these things. I saw your previous discussions, but it seems they have different aims. People who have plenty of evidence of their music output on Hive and elsewhere can provide proof of their skills.
We have to accept that some people are only earning from their creative work and so I would not begrudge them cashing out. They will have to stay active and build a following to keep earning. We do have some artists on here who are doing both those things.
I think contests ought to take account of whether people actually engage.